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Old 05-30-2009, 02:30 AM
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I think you did a great job! The compas is quiet steady though!

Try to listen to the old masters, they have mostly a more "straight forward"Solea.
Paco Pena plays also pretty straight forward, the compas is easy recognicable.
here an example!
YouTube - Paco Peña - Soleares

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A great start Mark. Its very good that you are using a metronome.
An easy next step would be to use a metronome that plays
compás. Don't buy anything. Just google "weird metronome", which
is a handy free program that you can make custom metronome
beat structures with.

I'd be glad to record some more JM for everyone, but It will
be at least Monday before I get a chance.

For now I'll throw in some "non-Chiste" attachments...

First off a not-too-complicated Soleares played to a very basic rhythm
played by Palmas and Cajon:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/10zzfz...s+Guitarra.mp3
I think hearing percussion with the guitar is a good way to learn the
compas better.

Now, percussion only. You provide the guitar:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/2znrnm...ea- Compas.mp3
If you need to slow it down, use Windows Media Player and select
View>Enhancements>Play Speed Settings.
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[quote=Mark;1073]

I've attached a copy of me playing it. Its very rough around the edges and in horrible compass but if anyone is interested its there

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your compas is fine, but I didn't hear any golpes. They're essential.
I'd work on feeling- or as they say in Spain 'el filin.' Solea is less of a march, more tranquilo and contemplative. Tends to be slower, your tempo and drive in this example are more like solea por bulerias.
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I think you played that well Mark, I really do!

Thanks for all the advice and tips you've given to me guys! I took your advice and have called a flamenco teacher. Rumour has it he's fantastic, so I have high hopes.
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Hey, great! Keep it up - your energy and enthusiasm are going to take you a long ways-

Ole!
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Ok here's another:

Juan Martin's Seguiriyas (from book 1) with Palmas and Cajon

http://www.mediafire.com/file/1dcuzz...Con-Palmas.mp3

I left a little extra rhythm before the guitar starts, since the compas
is kind of unusual.

As usual I mixed the guitars quiet for easier play-along practice use.
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Ok here's another:

Juan Martin's Seguiriyas (from book 1) with Palmas and Cajon

http://www.mediafire.com/file/1dcuzz...Con-Palmas.mp3

I left a little extra rhythm before the guitar starts, since the compas
is kind of unusual.

As usual I mixed the guitars quiet for easier play-along practice use.
Nice play as usual!
Now I really wonder where you get all these palmas and cajon compas files?
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:51 AM
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Here is a website with some loops.
Percussionloops für Flamenco mp3 free download

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Old 06-01-2009, 05:08 PM
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Ok- I'll reveal the gold mine.

4shared.com - free file sharing and storage

search for "solo compas". They have about 20 CDs someone put up there
for downloading. There's a fair amount of sheet music and transcriptions
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Quote:
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Thanks for the link, I've been listening to it a lot and trying to tap along.

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A great start Mark. Its very good that you are using a metronome.
An easy next step would be to use a metronome that plays
compás. Don't buy anything. Just google "weird metronome", which
is a handy free program that you can make custom metronome
beat structures with.

First off a not-too-complicated Soleares played to a very basic rhythm
played by Palmas and Cajon:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/10zzfz...s+Guitarra.mp3
I think hearing percussion with the guitar is a good way to learn the
compas better.

Now, percussion only. You provide the guitar:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/2znrnm...ea- Compas.mp3
If you need to slow it down, use Windows Media Player and select
View>Enhancements>Play Speed Settings.
Thanks for the links again! So many good resources in this thread. I have been listening to these and noticed the accents are on 3, 6, 9, and 10 is this the basic structure of the compas for Solea and Soleares is 3, 6, 8, and 10?

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your compas is fine, but I didn't hear any golpes. They're essential.
I'd work on feeling- or as they say in Spain 'el filin.' Solea is less of a march, more tranquilo and contemplative. Tends to be slower, your tempo and drive in this example are more like solea por bulerias.
Thanks for the comments veet. There a few golpes in the recording but they are quite hard to hear. I will check over the music to make sure I am playing them all.

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I think you played that well Mark, I really do!

Thanks for all the advice and tips you've given to me guys! I took your advice and have called a flamenco teacher. Rumour has it he's fantastic, so I have high hopes.
Good luck with the lessons, I'm sure they will help you progress a lot faster.

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Ok here's another:

Juan Martin's Seguiriyas (from book 1) with Palmas and Cajon

http://www.mediafire.com/file/1dcuzz...Con-Palmas.mp3

I left a little extra rhythm before the guitar starts, since the compas
is kind of unusual.

As usual I mixed the guitars quiet for easier play-along practice use.
This is perfect I was just about to start learning this piece Its fun to play along with the Palmas and Cajon.

Cheers,
Mark.




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