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Old 10-12-2009, 09:05 AM
 
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Payul, I assume it's just an oversight on your part, but el Chocolate and Manuel Torres were two entirely different singers. Chocolate is shown singing a siguiriya that was first sung by Manuel Torres. Manuel Torres is regarded by many flamencos as the greatest cantaor of all time.

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Old 10-12-2009, 09:49 AM
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Hi Aurelio,

Thanks for showing me my mistake
I recovered it......It is not a good thing to have misinformation on the internet, and especially not on our beloved forum!

Gracias!
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Thanks Payul and Aurelio for your replies, you are very kind.

@Payul: I checked the suggestions and I have to say I loved them very much especially Antonio Mairena.

@Aurelio: you look like an autorithy in the field. I found something on youtube by Almadén, and sounds similar. I will go on my search in these days indeed.


Yesterday, I found also new strong and deep sensations hearing Yasmin Levy. Do you know her?
What do you think about her?

Ciao.
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Old 10-13-2009, 12:42 PM
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Yasmin Levi is a great israely singer (i'm proud!!!) , sing in "ladino" language, she is less familiar in Israel and only flamenco aficionados knows her...
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Default Favourite sad song

1 week of Flamenco and I'm totally addicted

Don't know why I love so much this kind of the music...maybe because it moves emotions that are hidden in our stomach.

By the way...A question:

What is your favourite sad song?
The one who make you feel a deep vibration in your stomach?
The one, when you hear it, you remember the worst and saddest of your love stories?

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Artemius, it appears that you are one of those who are most deeply affected by cante flamenco, which is the heart and soul of flamenco--a tribute to your taste and discernment! There is a "who is your favorite guitarist?" thread going on this site--my answer is whatever guitarist most carefully and unobtrusively supports and interacts with the singer, without drawing attention away from the singer--it is the singer and the song that are what flamenco is. I suggest that anyone wanting to see what flamenco guitar as accompaniment to el cante is--or should be--should take a look at and listen to tocaors such as Diego del Gastor (or his nephew Paco del Gastor) accompanying a singer like Fernanda de Utrera or Perrate de Utrera or José de la Tomasa.

Siguiriyas and soleares, and sometimes tientos and fandangos are usually those forms of cante that most deeply move lovers of cante. I can recommend you listen to Manuel Torres, Terremoto de Jerez, Tomas Pavón, Manolo Caracol, Chocolate for profound expressions of these forms. Among women, La Niña de los Peines (Pastora Pavón) was unequalled--her siguiriyas and soleares can drill through your head like a flaming arrow. Manolita de Jerez and Fernanda de Utrera also sang beautifully. Actually, there are/were so many! One singer who, for a very brief period, sang powerfully while accompanied with great taste by Sabicas, was Enrique Montoya, recorded on an old Elektra LP, Festival Gitana, back in the 1950s.

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Default Thank you Aurelio

Aurelio, what can I say?
You are very kind.

Thank you for your advices, and lessons. They are so precious to me.
I'm a newbie in the flamenco universe and I love to learn more and more.
Now I know I love cante flamenco, but I have to go deep in siguiriyas, soleares, tientos and fandangos. Maybe I will find some new and strong sensation....

In the next days, I will take your advices and I will start to look for your flamenco suggestions.

Again, thank you very much.

Artemio.
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Artemius, I have located and identified the song that pleases you so much. It is indeed sung by Niño de Almadén, and can be found as the last selection on the following CD: El Niño de Almadén, Volume 2 of the series of excellent disks titled Grands Cantaores du Flamenco, released by Le Chant du Monde, #LDX 274830. The original recording was made in 1957; the guitarist is Román el Granaino. The selection is called "Serenata" on the disk; as I indicated, I am no authority on Cante Andaluz, but I am going to try to figure out what is the specific form of the song.

The Grands Cantaores du Flamenco series is superb. I have the disks of Manolo Caracol, La Niña de los Peines, La Perla de Cádiz, Tio Gregorio el Borrico, and now also el Niño de Almadén. I intend to get more, as finances permit. The editor of the series, Mario Bois, has shown excellent judgment in making the selections of the various artist's works; this is especially shown in his choices for Manolo Caracol, who sang a lot of dubious material in his day.

Aurelio

I did some further investigation on "Serenata": it is not cante andaluz as I first thought, but rather cante gitano--a serrana, somewhat related both to siguiriyas and to la caña, and probably descended from one or both. I thought it sounded familiar, and checked it against several serranas, by Pepe el de la Matrona and by Rafael Romero. This has been a very enjoyable search, as it has brought me back into contact with various cantaores and palos that I'd neglected for quite a while. Thank you, Artemio!

Aurelio

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